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between president obama and speaker boehner, is it a sign that we are close to a fiscal cliff deal? i asked the senior cnn analyst, david gergen. >> this week is a crucial week to see if they can get a break through. in fact, they are willing to sit down and they did it in private, and instead of the political theater we have seen in the last few weeks i think that's encouraging. there's even a bigger long-term issue, and that is whether the kind of agreement they can reach now will lead to a grand bargain, or whether it's going to amount to a mouse instead of an elephant. we will have to see what they can craft this week and see if they can get passed the fiscal cliff. the bargain is really important, too. in some ways, don, what is at stake is whether they can craft a deal is that win/win. each side can walk away with something in the short term saying this is encouraging. this is a moment, don, when a lot of things are hanging in the balance. having them sit down today is encouraging because it means they don't want to take us all the way to the 11th hour and 59th minute. they want
>>> this morning on "meet the press," time is running out to avoid the fiscal cliff. is a deal closer than most think? >>> in public, the lines are drawn. but behind the scenes, the give and take over taxes and entitlement cuts point toward a deal by christmas. what is standing in the way? this morning, the debate is right here. the house speaker's top lieutenant, congressman kevin mccarthy, and top white house ally, the assistant senate majority leader, dick durbin. mccarthy and durbin square off. >>> then, what is the political endgame for both republicans and democrats? who wins and who loses as this fight drags on? >>> plus, the future of the republican party is a hot topic as both sides start plotting the 2016 campaign. our political roundtable features two former capitol hill insiders, newt gingrich and lawrence o'donnell. plus, three journalists on the story. >>> the looming fiscal cliff 22 days away. is it stalemate or compromise? we'll go inside the negotiations with two top leaders in just a moment, but i want to start with the ongoing crisis in syria where the assad
't support any deal to avoid the fiscal cliff if it doesn't include higher tax rates on the wealthiest americans. nbc's mike viqueira at the white house for us. mike, we are 24 days and counting. where does the situation stand right now? >> reporter: which is over at the advent calendar here and start counting down the days to the fiscal cliff. the president said this morning in his weekly address he will not compromise on this issue of raising taxes. no compromise. he said i think it's the most forecefully he's ever said it, alex. there is some wiggle room. how high are the rates going to go for the wealthiest americans. visiting a d.c. area diner, vice president joe biden said if the gop were willing, a debt deal could be done in short order. >> it would take 15 minutes from the time the decision was made by the speaker of the house to pass and make permanent the middle class tax cut. the president would probably have me sprint up to the hill to bring the bill down for him to sign. >> reporter: but even after the latest in a series of private calls with the president, house speaker j
ago with debt sealing that gives deal -- there is a deal in place. and it recalls that fiscal cliff, but the deal of made a year and a half ago, the republicans, democrats and president signed off on this, allowing tax increases to go back in place. and they signed on to half a trillion in cuts, inomtic programs and half a trillion in defense, understand at this is as a conservative, defense is 16% of the budget. other 84% gets half a trillion, defense getting half a trillion. the democrats are welcoming this to happen. >> the guy who ran second to mitt romney, many argue now with -- i think this is -- republicans are running with tail between their legs, and they are a lighter blue. >> they are referred to as cheap democrats. neil: you are persona nongratta now. or party we knew is gone. >> i'm hoping that is not the case. i'm hoping we'll have new members come in. and you know, we -- just sawaw , i got involved in not a fiscal thing but it had to do with a u.n.reaty that the left's to s to hoist on u.s. that thing was going to pass, we got involved, an organization that i run, pat
're not going off this fiscal cliff. >> representative, the question might be, how do we get to that deal? as we mentioned earlier, the "new york times" reporting that negotiations are now down to just the speaker. >> yes. >> and the president. this is at speaker boehner's request. i want to get your reaction. here's david axelrod talking about the politics behind all of this. >> okay. >> both the president and the speaker are very fluent in the basic numbers. they have been living with them for some time now. so as i said, i don't think that there's a lot of mystery about this. the politics has to be traverse. they've got to get through the rocky shoals of grover norquist. >> congresswoman, some democrats are saying that this is not the situation, it's not going to be mano, as we've been saying. what do you know about that in terms of how they are negotiating and is it the best for them to be one on one? >> well, i think it does not hurt for them to be one on one. i have to be concerned about what the leaders are saying about being excluded. but if we take this moment and if this is what they h
with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of 2011. the parties are so polarized and partisans polarized this is a problem. >> i keep saying we need a presidential historian or hostage negotiator. somebody could say we've been at stalemates before, gotten over it, shut down the government in '96. tip o'neill and ronald reagan managed to solve problems and get along. listen to what john mccain said about what we need here. >> it's time now to sit across the table from one another, rather than -- in the way they did with ronald reagan and the way you get things done in washington. >> the way they did with ronald reagan and get things done in washington. you sit together and figure it out. they were at a holiday party they didn't talk to each other. they're issuing sort of statements and rebuttals and saying i'm not going to budge. >> negotiation by press release. this is not how things get done in washington and part of the problem of the growing incivility in washington. people don't work together the way th
in the fight over the fiscal cliff. a deal has to be hammered out in 26 days or all of us will be dealing with heavy-handed tax hikes and sweeping cuts. the two sides are keeping details of the discussion yesterday under wraps. thil standing their ground on tax hikes for the top 2%. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> once republicans acknowledge that rates are going up for top earners, we believe that an agreement is very achievable. >> kate baldwin is live from washington, d.c. really nice to see you, kate. i know i went into this saying that we're light on details. i'm wondering if you know anything else, are we closer to an agreement. >> i think we're a long way from a deal. although it's one issue they're fighting about. politically they are still very far apart. the two men as you mentioned, the president and speaker boehner did speak for the first time yesterday, the first time in a week which i guess at this point in and of itself is significant because there isn't much talking going on outside of that. but neither side is off
on that in a moment. >> investment banks paralyzed by the fiscal cliff. we'll find out what it will take to get deals going once again. >> we expect the president to speak on the fiscal cliff before the business roundtable. we'll bring you his comments live. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs taking a billion dollar charge. kayla tausche has more. >> investors see this as a positive. a big move for a new ceo who is just getting his sleeves rolled up. the cuts will span across nearly all of the company's divisions but biggest slice of the pie coming from global consumer banking cutting 6,200 jobs there. the cuts are broad. nearly 2,000 jobs cut from the institutional clients group including investment banking six times the layoffs reported to take place in the securities business earlier this month. jim cramer said earlier that it feels like citigroup has been cutting jobs forever but that's because the bank has downsized by a third since peak employment in 2007. most of that cutting took place after he took the reigns. it will have 261,000 jobs once these cuts are done. the 11,000 announced today is a big
of this fiscal cliff deal. that includes house democrats. and how do i go about doing that without totally alienating the base of my party? and i'm very curious to see what his next step is because his opening offer was essentially where he said he could only go in the debt ceiling bargains of july 2011. he said i can go to $800 billion in revenue, i can do these specific entitlement reforms. that's now his opening offer. where does he go here? >> i think, though, steve that the president of the united states and mr. lew and other democrats need to start looking at him differently. he is like an attorney that knows what his client is going to give and what his client's not going to give. we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has,
. the threat of going over the fiscal cliff is overblown. it will get done in an 11th hour deal. as you read the politics at play, what do you see? >> both sides digging in. you played the president saying, i want that rate hike. the republicans say we'll give you the revenues but not through a rate hike. the president believes he won the election and he upped the ante saying he wants twice as much in tax revenues than he wanted a year and a half ago. the president believes he has higher ground under this. i think maybe the democrats have a deeper trench, if you will. they have public opinion on their side. if you talk to people in washington there is a sense that at the last minute reason will prevail. there is a not a lot of optimism. you know this and my colleagues know it better than i do. more people are talking about the threat that if you don't deal with it you will send the united states back to recession and the global economy is teetering on recession. the stakes are in their political vaults. maybe they're blind to the enormous stakes. >> let me share something that struck me from
camerota. and forget the fiscal cliff. deal or no deal. a new wave of taxes are the set to kick in next month, because of obamacare, will it be on the edge? , we'll break it down. >> mike: good morning, i'm mike in for dave. like the federal government do you have the urge to splurge? why impulse buying may be costing you and your family an extra $200 per month. >> plus, the twinky, may be here to stay after all. how one man is trying to save hostess from the brink of extension. "fox & friends" hour three starts right now. >> ♪ >> good morning, everyone, thanks so much. mike jerrick is here. >> mike: hello, can i say quickly? tomorrow is my brother, tom jerrick's birthday in maryland, and he's always at church every sunday morning, say hi to tom jerrick. >> clayton: so he was the disciplined one of the family. >> alisyn: we're getting this, you were the black sheep. >> mike: what are you trying to say? we have six kids. >> clayton: i'm saying that he's the colonel and you're not. >> mike: i'm just corny. mike jerrick is here everyone, great to see you and we have been focusing on
have to leave it there. president obama says no deal on the fiscal cliff. >> how does raising tax rates on the rich help the poor. that is what i don't get. true free market capitalism helps everybody. a rising tide lifts all boats. i'm laugrry kudlow we will be right back. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >> whow does taxing the rich hep the poor rise above poverty and get a job? let's talk to larry elder. he is the author of the great book, "dear father dear son". welcome back. how does taxing successful wealthy people help the poor get out of poverty. well for people who think like i think it doesn't make any sense. but understand something, that is not what
cliff is not the answer. a bipartisan approach in washington to get it done. >> we need a deal. we need to rise above. we have fiscal cliff for what may happen at the end of the year. we need a term for what happens if we get back up. phil fiscal grinds, fiscal ladder. i don't know. >> thank you both for joining us. >>> so much for november's better than expected jobs numbers. the former head of president bush's council of economic advisers says the data may not be all it is cracked up to be. he's next. >>> and then later, laura tyson, former head of president clinton's council of economic advisers will weigh in on that and where things snand d.c. as we get closer to those automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. >>> plus, 401(k) is not okay. some news that might worry everyone who's banking on a 401(k) for their retirement. keep it here to find out more. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education
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say, mano a mano. whatever. the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. interesting. president obama and speaker boehner. nobody else. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his message to the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his my2k social media campaign, sitting around the kitchen table. he told the family he was optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle-class taxes don't go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for fam
, obviously, second part is to deal with the fiscal cliff and he's put entitle and spending cuts on the table and i think really, the issue here is whether republicans are going to be on the tax rates for the upper income folks. if that happens i think we'll have an agreement. if it it doesn't we could go over the fiscal cliff and right now the economy is in a fragile position. >> no one can argue with that one. a lot of criticism on both sides and a lot pointing to republicans that they want to see the fiscal cliff happen. is there any upside if we actually go over the cliff? >> there's no upside if we go over the cliff and what you've seen the last couple of weeks is political theater. that's how we negotiate things here in washington d.c. and the good news, the president put forth a plan and republicans have put forth a plan and i believe that obama will have to come to the table with more spending cuts and entitlement reform and republicans might have to give in to some tax increases and the cbo do a recent report, saying if republicans get what they want in extending the entire bush tax
's the great unknown in all of this fiscal cliff fighting. some argue the country won't be badly damaged if the country hits the fiscal cliff. republicans and democrats keep arguing into the new year. others are worried failure to strike a deal could send the nation back into a recession. >> i think people understand the failure to compromise and going over the cliff could really jeopardize this recovery. the good news today about more people back at work, the unemployment rate coming down, listen, that can be reversed if people lose confidence in our future. >> the number two senate ranked democrat mr. temperature bib argues next week will be critical in terms of president obama and speaker boehner finding a compromise. shep? >> shepard: democrats are still saying what they have said all along and what the president ran on this is about taxes. >> that is true and they note president obama campaigned on upper income americans paying more so they intend to make sure that happens. the house democratic leader says the only obstacle is republicans refusing to ask the top 2% to pay more. >> t
white house chief of staff on how to stay off the fiscal cliff and what the party should learn from the last election. >>> next, when the u.s. aimed high in the 1960s, we sent a man to the moon w the same effort, we can now cure cancer, that's what the head of the largest cancer center in the word, m.d. anderson says. >>> and america has lost it's number one standing in lotts of areas, from competitiveness to education, the new number one in most cases a scandinavian country, what is the credit sauce? we'll dig into it. but first here's my take. as we debate whether the two parties can ever come together and get things done, here is something president obama could do probably by himself that would be a single accomplishment of his presidency, end the war on terror. for the first time since 9/11, an administration official has raised this prospect. said in a speech to the oxford union last week, that as the battle against al qaeda continues, there will be come a tipping point as so many of the leaders and operatives of al qaeda have killed or captures such as al qaeda as we know it h
the dollar, we might be greece, we have got to deal with our debt bomb, we have got to face the fiscal cliff that's coming in a couple of weeks. >> so you know what both sides are saying? the president is saying there's no way to make the math work. without raising the rates for the top income earners and that the republicans should give on this. >> yeah. >> do you think he's right? >> well, i understand that position, that was the position he took during the campaign. but what has to happen in my view, you've got to have everything on the table, you have to have revenue increases. now how you get those to revenue increases was an item of discussion during the campaign, and it's an item more negotiation, i for one think you can get there by eliminating and broadeninging the tax base which eliminating loopholes and deductions. the truth of the matter is that we're not undertaxed as americans, we overspend. i think everything would agree that we overspend that's why we have this debt to gdp of 100% as far as the eye can see absent policy changes, so whatever you do, you first have to agree wha
on the fiscal cliff before we hit it. represents tim walls is a democrat from minnesota who filed a petition yesterday to force a vote on extending tax cuts for the middle class. congressman, good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i have to say that the optic beioptics of congressman leaving the capitol right now for another long weekend is extraordinary poor. it is disappointing and to many it is outraging. what do you say? >> i think it is outrageous. i couldn't agree with you more on that. these are good folks. each one of us was elected to represent 650,000 people. i heard it -- i think everyone of the other floor members heard it -- they're tired of the bickering, they're tired of the cliff talk. they want to us compromise and get something done. i proposed yesterday let's find the xron ground. we all agree that tax rates should not go up on folks make makeing $250,000 or less. a family. >> when congress goes home today for a long weekend, who pays for the travel? >> the taxpayers pay for it. they just flew us out on monday. we took two votes. we didn't vote until 6:30 th
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of the fiscal cliff looming larger as the clock ticks toward the deadline on january 1st. negotiators are trying to hammer out a deal over tax hikes and spending cuts searching for common ground. amid all the back and forth there are signing of a compromise. steve centanni is live in washington. are the two sides any closer together? >> reporter: there are two important signs today. speaker, house speaker john boehner met with president obama at the. we don't know how long they met or exactly what they talked about, but the white house says lines of communication are open and face-to-face meeting is on important. at the same time republicans say they will accept the demands for higher taxes on the wealthy if it goes along with spending cuts entitlements like medicare and social security. listen.... >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i think it has merit where you give the president 2% increase he is talking about on the top 2 percent. i am beginning to believe that is the best route for us to take. >> reporter: many other republicans, of course, standing firm against any tax increase
the past weekend of activity atop the fiscal cliff, nothing happened. today, the search for a sweet stop when the deal the speaker can get to the president, and what he can sell to his bruised party. >> they put forward a unbalanced plan that lowers rates for the wealthie iesiest americans. >> the speaker's box. then, falling off the fiscal cliff, a tumble that would shake the world with international monetary fund chief kristine lagarde. >> the real threat at the moment is here with us. >> what happened if nothing happens with mark zandi, jackie calmes. >> politically, the speaker is playing with a weaker hand than the president. the pressure is higher on him, and his critics are louder, too. >> just need boehner to go along with raising the rates and that's it. republican party is finished. >> he is selling out our children right now with these massive tax increases, and that's his starting bid. he is saying here is $800 billion, now will you sit down with, us a obama? >> hashtags with names like fire boehner have become popular. still, where the votes get counting, boehner seems to ha
of lights. >> chris: i'm chris wallace, two big issues today. the fiscal cliff talk stuck in neutral and concerns syria will use chemical weapons against it's own people. with 23 days and more posturing, will the white house cut a deal. we'll talk two senators on the front lines of the debate. democrat charles schumer and republican bob corker. then the u.s. draws a red line telling syrian president assad not to use chemical weapons in that country's civil war. we'll discuss the latest intelligence and fallout with michael oren. a fox news sunday exclusive. plus the supreme court agrees to take up same-sex marriage. we'll ask our sunday panel if the court is likely do decide whether gays have a constitutional right to marry and a final farewell to my best friend winston, all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. it's beginning to feel like groundhog day in the talks of the fiscal cliff. both sides dug in, no agreement in sight and we're 23 days from the brink. join us to break down where it stands, two leader senators, charles schumer and bob corker
will not play that game. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tomç perriello from the centerf american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in america. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz responds tonight. plus, senator barbara boxer on her new plan for national polling place standards. and a new poll shows half of all republicans think the defunct group a.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president obama. >> that's an eye opener. >> i wonder where they ever got that idea? >> you just have to wait and see what happens. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. here is are the latest. republicans are at a stalemate with the white house for debt negotiations. republicans really only have two opt
to europe for inspiration and guidance for fiscal policy, taking greece, perhaps, as a standard for dealing with economic and budget crises. the speaker did a charge the president is slow walking the nation to the brink of a fiscal cliff. that is one of the speakers firmest in the strongest statements yet. >> this is in a progress report because there is no progress to report. the white house has wasted another week. there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue on the table, but none of it is going to be possible. the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. lou: inconveniently the congressional budget office today reported that the federal deficit is already bulging. the cbo reports for the first two months of fiscal 2013 that number $2,902,000,000,000, $57 billion more than the same two month time span last year. and the labor department today reported the unemployment rate fell to the 77%. good news, the lowest jobless rate in four years. the lower unemployment rate, however, the consequence of the more than 300,000 people who dropped out of
the president is willing to go over the fiscal cliff so he can blame the g.o.p. >> plus, olympic gold medal winning gabby douglas on the role of faith in her triumph. ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [applaus [applause] >> thank you very much, great audience. welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new york city. [applause]. well for the past few weeks, i've traveled to about 48 city signing dear chandler, dear scarlet and i met several thousand who watched the show every week, it's.that americans are-- and many of you are wondering if your kids and grandkids are going to have a better life than you. and what i heard over and over our leaders aren't leading and the election didn't send a clear message, the song of the hugh once said, meet the new boss, same as the old boss pt sate president, same senate and same house. we may have barely moved the chairs around on the deck of the sinking "titanic," but maybe we're putting faith in human beings,no getter at serving. >> and you pay your bills and show up for work. washington s to borrow from the chinese to pay its bill
president bill clinton, interesting words on the fiscal cliff. in an event in sacramento, the president declared the whole standoff between president obama and the republicans as, quote, just a kabooky dance, two dogs that meet each other over a piece of meet, sniffing each other out, and moving towards a deal. with that elegance in mind,d, we welcome author of "the amateur," best selling author we have to say. friction here. that's not a helpful thing to say. i mean, he's not talking higher taxes, but dog sniffing which probably does -- may not offend the participants, i don't know. there's a little problem between the white house and mr. clinton. >> before i came on your show tonight, i spoke with sources who e very close to bill and hillary clinton, and they told me that bill clinton and barack obama ave had a major falling out. lou: wow, afterll the campaigning? the elegant speech, really? >> because of this estrangement, i'm told, is back to the presidential election when clinton struck a deal with obama. in the deal, clinton said he'd give the nominating speech and go out and cam
, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there is no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> and that is the important phrase there, prepared to go off the cliff if there is no agreement on raising those rates. we're going to get to that in a minute. utah republican senator orrin hatch fired back and said, quote this, is one of the most stunning and irresponsible statements i've heard in some time. the american people want us to find a reasonable path forward not to rattle our sabers and play this dangerous game. of course, both sides are playing games. they are rattling their sabers. house members streamed out of the capitol and headed out of town wednesday after canceling today's session. they insist nothing will get done until the president makes a counteroffer to what they say is their full fledged proposal for monday. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same peop
and the chances of finding him are very good. >> talks to avoid a fiscal cliff appeared to have hit the skids. the skicliff is tax hikes cominn january 1st. it could send us back into recession. president obama and congressional republicans blocking a deal to avoid an economic catastrophe. marco rubio addressing the public says it does nothing to solve the long-term problem of a ballooning national debt. >> tax increases will not solve our debt only economic growth will help control the debt. house republicans have a democratic bill that already passed the senate. the republican alternative will not work. >> the senate has already done their part. now we are waiting for republicans in the house to do the same thing. but so far they have put forward an unbalanced plan that lowers the rates for the wealthiest americans. >> the tax hikes on americans. they say voters made it clear when he was elected. >> he is a democrat. former florida governor carlie fritz making it official after two years as an independent. he's seen as a candidate former challenger republican rick scott in 2014. we have a m
's a deal struck on the fiscal cliff. i think boehner is trying to exert control. leaders try to exert control before these votes happen. sometimes weeks before. so this was a warning to house conservatives, that if you go against leadership and a deal is struck, there are going to be consequences. >> yeah. so chuck todd, let's talk about the other side of pennsylvania avenue. the president of the united states yesterday speaking with john boehner. and they wisely decided not to characterize that phone call, thank god for the sake of america. and the world. also, you had tim geithner. good god. >> he didn't say anything he hasn't said before. >> geithner on the sunday shows was saying oh, yeah, the republicans are going to back down. they're going to cower in the corner, tremble and whatever. and then yesterday he said we're going to go over the cliff if republicans don't do what we want. i'm curious, what's the white house attitude right now? are they willing to go over the cliff? is geithner right? >> are they willing to go over the cliff? i guess they are, but they also don't believ
? >> the fiscal cliff. because they have to. it is in writing, it's a law that if they don't get a deal together, we go over the cliff and 1.2 trillion dollars, 600 billion out of spending and 600 billion in taxes and force-- >> i remember when i was in school, this is just like a year ago, really, no, quite a while ago. i remember talking in school about us being in debt and it was like reaching a trillion dollars and the teacher asked us to wrap our hands around this idea of a trillion dollars. now, we're seeing 16 trillion dollars. i can't wrap my head around a trillion to try to-- >> and then jay carney saying that's not the focus getting us out of debt and i use my dad as a reference to the first hour of the show. like my dad handing me a credit card going off to college, you know what just put whatever you want on there, keep spending, that's not our focus. >> clayton: we're not going to pay for it. >> part of the deal president obama of brought to john boehner, let's reof move the debt ceiling and take the limit on the credit cards. >> ainsley: let me tell you dad said this is emergency o
to kick in just 26 shopping days until the fiscal cliff. >> brian: less working days. >> steve: that's right. house republicans say there will be no deal if tax ritz go up and the obama administration says it's ready to go thelma and louise style over the cliff on january 1. if that's the case, wendell goler live at the white house with what we know is going on behind the scenes. anything happening? >> steve, the president and house speaker john boehner talked on the phone yesterday, but they agreed not to characterize their conversation. so it's unclear how much progress they made. from the outside, it does seem they've moved a bit closer with boehner now agreeing to raise tax collection from the wealthy, though not by raising tax rates. >> we've got to cut spending and i believe to put revenues on the table. the revenues we're putting on the table will come from, guess who, the rich! there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> the
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